United Brachial Plexus Network, Inc.

Hi Karen

...don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't access the article your post linked to...the site asked me for a user name and password...and £120 to join!!

Any chance we can see it a different way?

Too funny! Yep, this board can be a crazy and silly place! Thanks for the laugh! I had to show my husband to and he was busting up.

..just wanted to add my two cents worth here...has anyone else wondered if the doctors/surgeons or whatever who are punting out this uterine pressure/contraction theory are all MEN? Surely, as we are all women who have given birth, do we not KNOW deep down that this theory is so much bovine excrement??

Another thing...what about multiple births? With this daft theory, you can almost assume that every multiple vaginal birth would produce damaged babies every time when you think about it, because (presumably) of excessive fetal constraint, and this clearly is not the case.

What all these theorists seem to forget is the pure mechanics of an OBPI...it is a STRETCH injury....uterine contractions, even unusually strong ones (!?) could not possibly cause these injuries...

..I agree with one of the other posters; I don't know how these people can sleep nights..I bet their pet theories would go straight out the window if it happened to someone dear to them...

getting off my soap box now.. :0)

Understanding the Cause of Obstetric Permanent Brachial Plexus Injury:

An Engineering Perspective on Shoulder Dystocia[1]

http://www.jloesq.com/articles/medical/the_answer.htm



I love the above one.... because it is the right perspective on this injury...

I think some of that stuff is published so that it can be used in law suits because it does not make sense...

The baby is in fluid... or has that changed??? LOL...

Kath

I thought a Dr. once told me that if there is scar tissue present (or maybe a certain type of scar tissue) that is indicative of a stretch injury (i.e. traction). You would not get scar tissue from a crush injury (i.e. contraction).

Sorry about the bad link folks, I guess I was lucky to get a copy from one of my sources- I will endeavour to find out if it's available online free of charge elsewhere.

I was told my son's Erbs Palsy was caused in utero by our doctor. Imagine a mom who had previously delivered a larger child delivering a preemie baby who weighed less than the previous child trying to understand why the smaller child was injured but the larger one not?

Should I add that it was an intern who delivered our Erbs Palsy preemie while the obgyn observed. Either way they covered there uknowwhat's and our son is paying the price while they go on with their lives like nothing happened.

there is compression and there is traction - if a child needs primary surgery - the surgeon can see exactly what is going on with the nerve... a TEAR (from traction) tries to heal with the scar tissue - this is called a neuroma. So (from the opposite way) if a child has a neuroma it means that there was in the least, a partial rupture.

I read the above info and just shake my head!! My family and attorney were aware of all of this and every bit that you all mentioned was brought up in our lawsuit. And we still lost. Does that make any sense at all?? The BS that the jury was lead to believe!!
Geez... I just can't believe it, how many lies saved that doctors %$%#!!

We are headed to trial and strongly suspect partial rupture and neuroma. Is there anyway possible to identify a neuroma besides primary surgery that anyone knows of? Primary was cancelled the day before and I know he has it. Will be a bummer if we can't at least bring it up in our case.